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Info-Hams Digest            Wed, 15 Jun 94       Volume 94 : Issue  666

Today's Topics:
                Guide to the Personal Radio Newsgroups
        Index to the rec.radio.amateur.* Supplemental Archives
                 Need Info. on International Callbook
                             routing test

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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:01:45 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Guide to the Personal Radio Newsgroups
To: [e-mail]

Posted-By: auto-faq 3.2.1.2
Archive-name: radio/personal-intro
Revision: 1.5 12/18/93 14:15:53
Changes: new mailing lists, .packet rmgroup, and .policy updates

(Note:  The following is reprinted with the permission of the author.)

This message describes the rec.radio.amateur.*, rec.radio.cb, rec.radio.info,
and rec.radio.swap newsgroups. It is intended to serve as a guide for the new
reader on what to find where. Questions and comments may be directed to the
author, Jay Maynard, K5ZC, by Internet electronic mail at
[e-mail]. This message was last changed on 18 September
1993 to add the mailing lists for the new rec.radio.amateur newsgroups, to
note the rmgroup of rec.radio.amateur.packet, and to officially retire some
(in)famous threads of discussion on rec.radio.amateur.policy.

History
=======

Way back when, before there was a Usenet, the Internet hosted a mailing list
for hams, called (appropriately enough) INFO-HAMS. Ham radio discussions
were held on the mailing list, and sent to the mailboxes of those who had
signed up for it. When the Usenet software was created, and net news as we
now know it was developed, a newsgroup was created for hams: net.ham-radio.
The mailing list and the newsgroup were gatewayed together, eventually.

As the net grew, and as packet radio came into vogue, packet discussion began
to dominate other topics in the group and on the list. This resulted in the
logical solution: a group was created to hold the packet discussion, and
another corresponding mailing list was created as well: net.ham-radio.packet
and PACKET-RADIO, respectively.

These two groups served for several years, and went through Usenet's Great
Renaming essentially unchanged, moving from net.ham-radio[.packet] to
rec.ham-radio[.packet]. Readership and volume grew with the rest of the
network.

The INFO-HAMS mailing list was originally run from a US Army computer at
White Sands Missile Range, SIMTEL20. There were few problems with this
arrangement, but one was that the system was not supposed to be used for
commercial purposes. Since one of hams' favorite pastimes is swapping
gear, it was natural for hams to post messages about equipment for sale
to INFO-HAMS/rec.ham-radio. This ran afoul of SIMTEL20's no-commercial-use
restriction, and after some argument, a group was created specifically
for messages like that: rec.ham-radio.swap. This group wasn't gatewayed to
a mailing list, thus avoiding problems.

While all this was happening, other folks wanted to discuss other aspects
of the world of radio than the personal communications services. Those
folks created the rec.radio.shortwave and rec.radio.noncomm newsgroups,
and established the precedent of the rec.radio.* hierarchy, which in turn
reflected Usenet's overall trend toward a hierarchical name structure.

The debate between proponents of a no-code ham radio license and its opponents
grew fierce and voluminous in late 1989 and 1990. Eventually, both sides grew
weary of the debate, and those who had not been involved even more so. A
proposal for a newsgroup dedicated to licensing issues failed. A later
proposal was made for a group that would cover the many recurring legal issues
discussions. During discussion of the latter proposal, it became clear that it
would be desirable to fit the ham radio groups under the rec.radio.*
hierarchy. A full-blown reorganization was passed by Usenet voters in January
1991, leading to the overall structure we now use.

After the reorganization, more and more regular information postings began to
appear, and were spread out across the various groups in rec.radio.*. Taking
the successful example of the news.answers group, where informational postings
from across the net are sent, the group rec.radio.info was created in
December, 1992, with Mark Salyzyn, VE6MGS, initially serving as moderator.

In January, 1993, many users started complaining about the volume in
rec.radio.amateur.misc. This led to a discussion about a second
reorganization, which sparked the creation of a mailing list by Ian Kluft,
KD6EUI. This list, which was eventually joined by many of the most prolific
posters to the ham radio groups, came up with a proposal to add 11 groups to
the rec.radio.amateur hierarchy in April 1993. The subsequent vote, held in
May and early June, approved the creation of five groups:
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc (to replace .packet), .equipment, .homebrew,
.antenna, and .space.

The Current Groups
==================

I can hear you asking, "OK, so this is all neat history, but what does it
have to do with me now?" The answer is that the history of each group has
a direct bearing on what the group is used for, and what's considered
appropriate where.

The easy one is rec.radio.amateur.misc. It is what rec.ham-radio was renamed
to during the reorganization. Any message that's not more appropriate in one
of the other groups belongs here, from contesting to DX to ragchewing on VHF
to information on becoming a ham.

The group rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc is for discussions related to
(surprise!) digital amateur radio. This doesn't have to be the common
two-meter AX.25 variety of packet radio, either; some of the most
knowledgeable folks in radio digital communications can be found here, and
anything in the general area is welcome. The name was changed to emphasize
this, and to encourage discussion not only of other text-based digital modes,
such as AMTOR, RTTY, and Clover, but things like digital voice and video as
well. The former group, rec.radio.amateur.packet, should be removed by
September 21st, 1993. It is obsolete, and you should use .digital.misc
instead (or the appropriate new mailing list, mentioned below).  The group
has .misc as part of the name to allow further specialization if the users
wish it, such as .digital.tcp-ip.

The swap group is now rec.radio.swap. This recognizes a fact that became
evident shortly after the original group was formed: Hams don't just swap ham
radio gear, and other folks besides hams swap ham equipment. If you have radio
equipment, or test gear, or computer stuff that hams would be interested in,
here's the place. Equipment wanted postings belong here too. Discussions about
the equipment generally don't; if you wish to discuss a particular posting
with the buyer, email is a much better way to do it, and the other groups,
especially .equipment and .homebrew, are the place for public discussions.
There is now a regular posting with information on how to go about buying and
selling items in rec.radio.swap; please refer to it before you post there.

The first reorganization added two groups to the list, one of which is
rec.radio.amateur.policy. This group was created as a place for all the
discussions that seem to drag on interminably about the many rules,
regulations, legalities, and policies that surround amateur radio, both
existing and proposed.  Recent changes to the Amateur Radio Rules (FCC
Part 97) have finally laid to rest the Great Usenet Pizza Autopatch Debate
as well as complaints about now-preempted local scanner laws hostile to
amateurs, but plenty of discussion about what a bunch of rotten no-goodniks
the local frequency coordinating body is, as well as the neverending no-code
debate, may still be found here.

The other added group is rec.radio.cb. This is the place for all discussion
about the Citizens' Band radio service. Such discussions have been very
inflammatory in rec.ham-radio in the past; please do not cross-post to both
rec.radio.cb and rec.radio.amateur.* unless the topic is genuinely of interest
to both hams and CBers - and very few topics are.

The rec.radio.info group is just what its name implies: it's the place where
informational messages from across rec.radio.* may be found, regardless of
where else they're posted. As of this writing, information posted to the group
includes Cary Oler's daily solar progagation bulletins, ARRL bulletins, the
Frequently Asked Questions files for the various groups, and radio
modification instructions. This group is moderated, so you cannot post to it
directly; if you try, even if your message is crossposted to one of the other
groups, your message will be mailed to the moderator, who is currently Mark
Salyzyn, VE6MGS. The email address for submissions to the group is
[e-mail]. Inquires and other administrivia should be
directed to [e-mail]. For more information about
rec.radio.info, consult the introduction and posting guidelines that are
regularly posted to that newsgroup.

The groups rec.radio.amateur.antenna, .equipment, .homebrew, and .space are
for more specialized areas of ham radio: discussions about antennas,
commercially-made equipment, homebrewing, and amateur radio space operations.
The .equipment group is not the place for buying or selling equipment; that's
what rec.radio.swap is for. Similarly, the .space group is specifically about
amateur radio in space, such as the OSCAR program and SAREX, the Shuttle
Amateur Radio EXperiment; other groups cover other aspects of satellites and
space. Homebrewing isn't about making your own alcoholic beverages at home
(that's rec.crafts.brewing), but rather construction of radio and electronic
equipment by the amateur experimenter.

Except for rec.radio.swap and rec.radio.cb, all of these newsgroups are
available by Internet electronic mail in digest format; send a mail message
containing "help" on a line by itself to [e-mail] for instructions
on how to use the mail server.

All of the groups can be posted to by electronic mail, though, by using a
gateway at the University of Texas at Austin. To post a message this way,
change the name of the group you wish to post to by replacing all of the '.'s
with '-'s - for example, rec.radio.swap becomes rec-radio-swap - and send to
that [e-mail] ([e-mail], for example). You may
crosspost by including multiple addresses as Cc: entries (but see below). This
gateway's continued availability is at the pleasure of the admins at
UT-Austin, and is subject to going away at any time - and especially if
forgeries and other net.abuses become a problem. You have been warned.

A Few Words on Crossposting
===========================

Please do not crosspost messages to two or more groups unless there is genuine
interest in both groups in the topic being discussed, and when you do, please
include a header line of the form "Followup-To: group.name" in your article's
headers (before the first blank line). This will cause followups to your
article to go to the group listed in the Followup-To: line. If you wish
to have replies to go to you by email, rather than be posted, use the word
"poster" instead of the name of a group. Such a line appears in the headers
of this article.

One of the few examples of productive cross-posting is with the rec.radio.info
newsgroup. To provide a filtered presentation of information articles, while
still maintaining visibility in their home newsgroups, the moderator strongly
encourages cross-posting. All information articles should be submitted to the
rec.radio.info moderator so that he may simultaneously cross-post your
information to the appropriate newsgroups. Most newsreaders will only present
the article once, and network bandwidth is conserved since only one article is
propagated. If you make regular informational postings, and have made
arrangements with the moderator to post directly to the group, please
cross-post as appropriate.

--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
      "If my car ran OS/2, it'd be there by now" -- bumper sticker
                 GCS d++ p+ c++ l+ m+/- s/++ g++ w++ t+ r

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:00:13 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Index to the rec.radio.amateur.* Supplemental Archives
To: [e-mail]

Posted-By: auto-faq 3.2.1.2
Archive-name: radio/ham-radio/archives

The following is a list of informational files for this newsgroup
available via anonymous FTP from ftp.cs.buffalo.edu or the Australia/
Asian-Pacific mirror at grivel.une.edu.au.

Questions to [e-mail]

1750m.band        - misc info on the 1750m band
222xvtr.zip        - PostScript code for KH6CP no-tune 222-MHz transverter
8085sys.zip        - 8085 system software, from QEX 11/93 and 12/93
alinco_180t_mod        - Alinco 180T modification for a TNC connection
ampr_coordinators    - coordinators for packet IP addresses
antenna_refs        - references for articles about antenna designs
antique_radio_info    - misc info about antique radio collecting
arrl-logo.ps        - ARRL logo in PostScript format
arrl_bib        - bibliographies from ARRL literature (ASCII format)
arrl_digital_minutes    - Minutes of the ARRL committee on digital comm.
arrl_fo_jobs        - descriptions of some ARRL Field Organization jobs
arrl_info_service    - announcement of the ARRLs trial information service
bbs_interface_specs    - specifications for message passing protocol
cal_pd_freq        - California police frequencies
callbook.tar.Z        - sources for the Buffalo callsign server v1.3
canadian.Z        - Canadian ham database in FCC format
carpet.loop.2        - Antenna for apartments and small spaces
clubcalls.Z        - database of US ham clubs
comb6.zip        - HF Propagation Predication program
docket_91-36        - information regarding the proposed scanner regs
dxcc-k2di        - ARRL DXCC country list
dx_w2iol.dat        - data for all country prefix, position, etc
dx_w2iol.doc        - documentation for the above database
element_credit        - rules about VE credit for earliers exams
elmers_admin        - information about the elmers list (see below)
elmers_index        - quick reference index of elmers
elmers_list        - list of elmers on the network
exam_ops        - info on exams and exam opportunities
faq_callsign        - frequently asked questions about the callsign server
faq_ham_1        - frequently asked questions about ham radio (pts 1)
faq_ham_2        - frequently asked questions about ham radio (pts 2)
faq_ham_3        - frequently asked questions about ham radio (pts 3)
faq_packet        - frequently asked questions about packet radio
faq_satellite        - frequently asked questions about satellites
faq_shortwave        - frequently asked questions about shortwave
fcc_part_97_1        - text of the FCC part 97 amateur regulations (part 1)
fcc_part_97_2        - text of the FCC part 97 amateur regulations (part 2)
fcc_part_97_3        - text of the FCC part 97 amateur regulations (part 3)
fft.com            - EGA/VGA DOS command for spectral display (QST 1/92)
ffth.com        - Hercules DOS command for spectral display (QST 1/92)
field_day_92        - field day rules for 1992
florida_antenna        - Florida State antenna law info
guide2newsgroups    - description of USENET newsgroups dedicated to radio
ham_sat_sum        - summary of information needed to get on satellite
hams_on_usenet        - list of ham operators and e-mail addresses on the net
hamstacks        - information about the question pool stacks
handicap_waiver        - info on obtaining a handicapped test waiver
hf_rigs            - QST reviews of available HF rigs
ht_info            - general information about commercial hand helds
icom_ic_w21at_mods    - increases the number of bands on an Icom IC W21AT
intro_to_swl        - info for aspiring short wave listeners
intro_to_scanners    - info for aspiring scanner listeners
jlem.zip        - Program, w/source, for 2kx8 ROM emulator (QEX 1/93)
j-poles            - description of j-pole antenna made from twin-lead
keplerian_format    - specification for format of keplerian elements
lead_acid_batteries    - essay on lead-acid batteries
license_plates        - guide to ham calls on license plates
logos            - PostScript logos for various ham organizations
mail_order        - a database of electronic mail order shops
manufacturers        - names and addresses of ham gear manufacturers
mav11.ps        - postscript image of MAV-11 amplifier PCB (QEX 9/93)
mlhacker.zip        - newsletters about the MiniSport Laptop Hacker
mods            - directory containing radio modifications
motorola_ge_service_man - how to get service manuals for Motorola and GE rigs
nasa_select        - places where you can hear NASA SELECT broadcasts
new_packeteers        - helpful essays for new packeteers
newcomers        - tips and hints for those new to amateur radio
nprm_93-85_text        - text of docket 93-85 (message forwarding systems)
nprm_93-305_text    - text of docket 93-305 (vanity call system)
oe_m1_review        - review of the Optoelectronic M1 Handicounter
oe_3000a_review        - review of the Optoelectronic 3000A Handicounter
packet_clubs        - organizations you can get more packet info from
packet_gateways        - list of gateways from packet to Internet
packet_header_standard    - description of BBS message header standards
packet_misc        - miscellaneous packet info
packet_software        - list of packet software versions
phone_bbs_list        - phone BBSs for ham related issues/software
pio_handbook        - ARRL Public Information Officer's Handbook
postscript_610        - postscript code to print an FCC form 610
pr_docket_92-136    - text of FCC PR Docket 92-136
pshift.zip        - Phase-shift network analysis program, April, 1994 QEX
qex1193.ps        - Postscript image of 13cm preamp board, 11/93 QEX "RF"
qexcvsd.zip        - CVSD codec card test programs, April 1994 QEX
qexfq194.zip        - Pascal program for PC frequency counter, Jan 1994 QEX
qexpad.zip        - VHF Power Attenuator program, April 1994 QEX
qsl_bureau1        - information about the ARRL QSL bureau
qsl_bureau2        - "what should I do if" list for the QSL bureau
qst_prodrev        - index of ARRL product reviews in QST
quest_pool_novice    - novice question pool - good after 7/1/93
quest_pool_technician    - technician question pool - good after 7/1/93
quest_pool_general    - general question pool - good before 6/30/94
quest_pool_advanced    - advanced question pool - good before 6/30/95
quest_pool_extra    - extra question pool - good before 6/30/96
rfi_tips        - good posting about RFI
sol_geo_data        - desciption of daily solar geophysical broadcasts
sol_terra_terms        - glossary of solar-terrestrial terms
sstv_wefax_info        - general help for SSTV and WEFAX users
tasm.zip        - table-driven assembler for weavrdsp.zip file
txt2eprm.zip        - morse code ID generator programming utility (QEX 2/94)
usenet_purchases    - tips on buying and selling via USENET
vlf_elf_references    - references for info on VLF and ELF radio
weavrdsp.zip        - src to "Weaver Method Modulator Using DSP" (QEX 9/93)

For readers of this newsgroup both new and experienced, these files are
a de-facto "Required Reading List" to provide definitive answers and
pointers to other sources for questions that come up in this forum.

This is also your archive, so any additional articles, guides, or small
PostScript graphics that you feel would enhance this collection are most
welcome.  Submit to Devon via his E-mail address above.

Thanks go to Devon Bowen, KA2NRC, for providing diskspace and maintaining
these valuable archives, as well as all the authors who wrote and submitted
the information contained in them.

Additional archives out there that have /pub/ham-radio directories are
encouraged to "mirror" these files to provide redundant storage for these
documents.  Some of these sites (which may or may not mirror
ftp.cs.buffalo.edu) include:

ftp.ucsd.edu                    /hamradio
nic.funet.fi                    /pub/ham
                                /pub/dx
csseq.cs.tamu.edu               /ham-radio
suntan.tandem.com               /hamradio
col.hp.com                      /packet
ftp.cs.buffalo.edu              /pub/ham-radio
bubba.business.uwo.ca           /hamster/ham
                                /hamster/tcpip
                                /hamster/mods
                                /hamster/view
vax.cs.pitt.edu                 /pub/arrl8
                                /pub/ka9q
                                /pub/ncpa
                                /pub/tnc2
brolga.cc.uq.oz.au              /pub/ka9q
tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov            /public
helios.tn.cornell.edu           /pub
wuarchive.wustl.edu             /mirrors/msdos/hamradio
                                /mirrors/msdos/packet
                                /mirrors/msdos/ka9q-tcpip
                                /mirrors/cpm/hamradio
                                /mirrors/cpm/packet
                                /mirrors/misc/hamradio
                                /mirrors/misc/packet
                                /mirrors/misc/ka9q-tcpip
gatekeeper.dec.com              /pub/net/ka9q
sun.soe.clarkson.edu            /pub/ka9q
sics.se                         /archive/packet
                                /pub/packet-incoming
sabrina.dei.unipd.it            /pub/hamradio
uhunix2.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu         /incoming/ham-radio
caticsuf.cati.csufresno.edu     /pub/ham-radio
ftp.waseda.ac.jp                /pub/toumon/ham-radio
garfield.catt.ncsu.edu          /pub/hamradio
plan9.njit.edu                  /pub/hamradio
sunee.uwaterloo.ca              /pub/radio
grivel.une.edu.au               /pub/ham-radio
vixen.cso.uiuc.edu              /pub/ham-radio
iraun1.ira.uka.de               /pub/ham-radio
nic.switch.ch                   /software/hamradio
                                /software/mac/ham-radio
iesd.auc.dk                     /ham-radio
akutaktak.andrew.cmu.edu        /aw0g (softkiss-mac)
gandalf.umcs.maine.edu          /pub/ham-radio # ls -l NO !)
rtfm.mit.edu                    /pub/usenet/news.answers/radio
tamu.edu                        /pc-sig
ftp.geo.brown.edu               /pub/hamradio
ns.risc.net                     /ham-radio
oak.oakland.edu                 /pub/hamradio
ftp.fidonet.org                 /pub/fidonet/ham
ftp.halcyon.com                 /pub/fidonet/ham
ftp.fcc.gov                     /pub
ftp.demon.co.uk                 /pub/ham

Questions about FTP mirroring and access to appropriate software should
be directed to me, or do an Archie search on the keyword "mirror."

For those without FTP access (and only those without FTP access,
please), there is an FTP mail server at [e-mail].  Send
the word "HELP" to this address for more information.

Additional documents on Usenet and other newsgroups may be obtained
from rtfm.mit.edu via anonymous FTP or via mail server (send the word
"HELP" to [e-mail]).

The American Radio Relay League has recently made available a
mail-server to distribute many of their informational documents in
electronic form.  Send E-mail to [e-mail] with "HELP" in the
message body for more information.  These files are also mirrored
on oak.oakland.edu.

Yet another mail-server has been made available by Steve Harding,
KA6ETB.  Send E-mail to [e-mail] with "HELP" in
the message body for more information.

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

[e-mail]

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Date: 15 Jun 1994 12:21:36 GMT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!col.hp.com!srgenprp!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com![e-mail]
Subject: Need Info. on International Callbook
To: [e-mail]

Is there an international callbook on-line ?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 21:15:29 -0500
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!mondy!urchin![e-mail]
Subject: routing test
To: [e-mail]

to: [e-mail]
This is a routing test from the usenet
users group
ryryryryryryryr

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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:42:25 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <2svtr6$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: ** WAITING PERIOD FOR LICENSE ?? **

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roger Buffington) writes:
>
>As you probably noted elsewhere on this thread, the ARRL has done quite a
>bit to bring about faster licensing.

So the wait period (someone noted 16 weeks) is acceptable, then? Sorry,
but absurd is absurd is absurd. And 16 weeks is absurd. Especially when
we note that the actual work the FCC does takes about 30 seconds. Tops.

No, the FCC proposed a solution, instant licensing, which would allow
them to do their thing without impacting people waiting to get on the
air, and that great representative of Amateurs everywhere, the ARRL,
shot it down. I suspect that even the old 'we took a survey and found
that the will of the amateur community...' excuse won't even be available
to be dragged out here. I can't imagine a ham who would check the 'NO'
box on a question of 'Would you like to see immediate licensing and
issuance of call signs for aspiring hams who pass a VEC session?'


>                                    The comparison between the DMV and
>the FCC is not a valid one, in my opinion.  The DMV licenses people to do
>something that many of us **must** do in order to make a living: drive a
>car.  Ham radio is just a hobby, and FCC has made it clear that we are
>far from its highest priority.

Or is ham radio an exercise of right of use of a public facility? It is
the FCC's requirement that one get a license to do what one is otherwise
capable of doing. The comparison is valid. Citizens pay for service, and
cede a certain amount of restriction on their activities in return
for an orderly society. In doing so, they have a right to expect to
go about their business, including that of calling 'CQ' on 7.125Mhz
if that be their wish and their qualification, as they will. A system
where the paperwork sitting in a pile for 15 weeks is an undue infringment.

And while we're talking about 'priorities,' that great excuse for not
finishing ones job, all of it, instant licensing makes prioritization
far easier, as it lessens the impact on the licensee. There is no clear
reason why the right of the amateur radio operator, as a spectrum user,
should be eclipsed by a business or any other citizen user, in any
case.

Finally, without all the pressures associated witht the back-log, and
with a more efficient system, it might actually cost LESS to perform
the licensing function. After all, someone has to schlep the piles of
back-logged 610s from here to there, store all of them, keep them in
order, and dig through them when someone's Congressman calls.

The FCC proposed a way out.

The ARRL got up to it's old back-up, 'Members Only' behavior, and
stomped it down.

Oh, well. I guess that those newbies who get the ARRL hype about
how 'We Represent You' in the midst of their long wait for licensing,
and find out that the League was instrumental in keeping them waiting
to get on the air will file the material with the rest of the junk mail.

Who could blame them?

'While you're in the interminable line, a message fromt the bureaucrat
who keeps the lines long...'

Like a lead fucking baloon.

Greg

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Date: 15 Jun 94 12:50:05 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!cat.cis.Brown.EDU!pstc3![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2svtr6$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: ** WAITING PERIOD FOR LICENSE ?? **

In article <[e-mail]>,
    [e-mail] (Greg Bullough) writes:

|> No, the FCC proposed a solution, instant licensing, which would allow
|> them to do their thing without impacting people waiting to get on the
|> air, and that great representative of Amateurs everywhere, the ARRL,
|> shot it down.

Surprised me too. I figured the league would support it.


|> I can't imagine a ham who would check the 'NO'
|> box on a question of 'Would you like to see immediate licensing and
|> issuance of call signs for aspiring hams who pass a VEC session?'

You haven't read this newsgroup all that much then. This issue was
hotly debated several months ago. Many hams are against this proposal
because of the abuse it can generate.


|> A system
|> where the paperwork sitting in a pile for 15 weeks is an undue infringment.

What next? Requiring a test is undue infringement?


|> The FCC proposed a way out.
|>
|> The ARRL got up to it's old back-up, 'Members Only' behavior, and
|> stomped it down.

Actually, the League proposed electronic filing, where the VECs would
submit applications electronically to the FCC, and all the FCC had to
do is print off the licenses.

|> Oh, well. I guess that those newbies who get the ARRL hype about
|> how 'We Represent You' in the midst of their long wait for licensing,
|> and find out that the League was instrumental in keeping them waiting
|> to get on the air will file the material with the rest of the junk mail.
|>
|> Who could blame them?

Remember the basic tenent of the League: We do what is best for the League,
not necessarily what is best for amateur radio.

Sometimes those two ends do, however, coincide.


MD
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